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Blip Interactive
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> I need to be more open-minded

No, I think you were fully within your rights.

instinctive
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Now don't spoil it, I've been trying for years to become a better member of society. ;)

No but seriously, I have nothing against innovation. But somehow, innovation still needs to be accompanied by a bit of ability... in German, the words for "Ability" and "Art" are almost the same. Go figure :)

Slam-Cut
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I hate to promote other apps on the NS forum, but I read on MusicAppBlog that Auria Pro will be coming out in spring and that it will have MIDI. Perhaps that will take some of the pressure off of NS2 to be everything I want to control my entire hardware studio. I haven't used Auria yet, but I am hoping there will be a way to slave it to NS2, or at least set the two apps to sync. Hmm... getting ahead of myself. Anyway, check out the article. Looks promising.

Slam-Cut
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While I'm on this thread...

I'm sure this must have been requested sometime before, but it is nagging me, so... as much as Nanosync is a great tool, I hope for something like Dropbox integration to move things back and forth (projects, samples, mixdowns, etc.) so that I can cut the PC out. Not entirely out mind you. I still hope to have Nanosync so that I can use the PC to back up everything in a safe and sane manner.

Blip Interactive
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I'll be looking into Dropbox when the time is right. I'll leave it towards the end of development because these 3rd party libraries like to keep changing, and it seems unnecessary to keep chasing a changing goal all the way through development.

Out of interest, do you know of any apps which use Dropbox for 'automatic sync'? By this, I mean you can flag folders to automatically keep up to date on all your devices whenever you add/move/delete files and folders (like the desktop version), rather than forcing you to explicitly upload/download files to some other area when you decide to want to share them.

Stiksi
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Notability does automatic backups to Dropbox, but only on one device at a time and uses iCloud to sync between devices.

Edit: 1Password uses Dropbox to sync the password catalogue between all devices. Works like a charm. Not really a file system but a container that is synced.

Notesy claims to have this but I see no mention of multiple devices so it might be a marketing ploy. I have no experience with this app. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/notesy-for-dropbox/id386095500?mt=8

Blip Interactive
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Is automatic sync something that would interest people (eg. for the samples/projects/patches folders), or would you prefer to explicitly move files to some sort of shared folder when you decide you want to make them accessible externally?

Automatic sync sounds great in principle but I'm suspicious about how well it would work in practice. The latter option is simpler and easier to understand, but doesn't solve the problem of keeping your sample/patch collection in sync between devices.

Flushls
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Just tried "Pro Midi" it's an app that almost works like the main screen of ableton except it doesn't really work with midi in you have to use the touch screen for everything. Which makes it totally worthless.
I wish blip would copy it and make something standalone like it with Eden.
It's a small app that was so close to what I need but basically is unfinished.
Anyway just wishing

Stiksi
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Automatic sync would be awesome as an option, but it would need to be ironclad and foolproof. Too many automatic sync options fail when you need them the most (iCloud).

Patches should have an export-feature, which would collect all relevant pieces (samples, etc) into a package and be ready to send wherever. This and a robust patch manager, which allows multiple item selection and export at once, would solve most of my problems.

I hate the one "shared folder" premise on an app level. To me, on iOS, the Dropbox app is that folder.

I like how Lightroom handles it: you can check a box next to a "collection" (could be folder or file just as well) to have it sync to all mobile devices connected to that "library" (Simple explanation: all images imported into LR). Then you have a small visual cue next to the collection that it is synced and everything else is automatic. Changes reflect back and forth quickly. This could work manually as well. LR does use the Adobe servers to work but it could just as well be Dropbox.

Marking folders for sync / export would be simpler for the user than having to drag them into a separate folder and then exporting / syncing. I would just end up having all my stuff inside the export folder permanently.

A separate export folder would also be confusing. If I move my stuff into the export folder, will my existing patches break because the files moved? Or will they be duplicated? Is it completely virtual?

Having a sync/export option simply be a part of the file browser like in LR would be the same thing but more intuitive and unambiguous.

dendy
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i prefer manually upoad to dropbox what i want, i dislike when application does some network traffic on backgroud without my direct request ... or maybe i didn't correctly understood what stiksi said :-)

as mentioned, separate dropbox sync folder, somewhere in top-level op app user documents tree, is OK for me ... i use dropbox this way also on my desktop .. i know that everything what i have in this folder is physically on my harddrive but also on dropbox.. i'm competely OK with this philosophy..

to have simple 'dropbox' named and synced folder and ability to save/load anything manually into this folder (patch, song, export) is OK imho .. this is universal solution, because when one wants to have synced everything in app, then he simply create subfolders under this dropbox main folder and put there all projects, samples, patches, exports - everything .. but when somebody (like me) want to use dropbox just occasionary (for some exports to send link to other people), then it will be also useable ...

Stiksi
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@ dendy: Oh, when I say "automatic sync" I always mean over wifi, not 3G or 4G. Syncing over the G-network would be a quick way to burn through your data allowance. And with "option", I meant as an option you can turn on or off as needed. Automatic sync as the only option would be very risky.

Slam-Cut
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I prefer to manually moves files, but if there were an Automatic Sync that could be toggled on and off, that might prove useful at times. Automatic could cause problems when collaborating with someone else on a .nsp file: if collaborator puts samples in a different folder and that causes my samples to move to the wrong folder thereby breaking presets. Maybe I missed something in Stiksi's explanation, but Automatic seems a bit scary to me when talking about moving samples, unless it only does that under the current 'rules' and only Project bank presets are moved and the samples stay in the project folder.

Currently my iPhone 6 and iPad Air have presets and banks that are different. Many presets overlap, but it is hard to remember where to find things. I tried to organize everything when I set up the iPad, but failed. Some sort of a preset managing librarian would be a dream. Maybe this could be an expanded funtion of Nanosync? If Nanosync could simultaneously connect multiple iDevices to a PC and could sync preset banks manually (with a mode to require user confirmation on each preset and a sample location check) or automatically, I'd be able to more easily organize that. As it is, i'll probably have to set aside a month or so to organize NS banks, first checking all projects to be sure I have saved presets to project banks so I don't break the tracks. Not looking forward to that. But if you wanted to work out the possibilities on a Test version of Nanosync that works on good ol' NS, I would love you for that! :o)

Flushls
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Nano Sync works quite well for me.
Seamless & reliable.

Stiksi
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I seem to have expressed myself badly, I'm advocating for a robust manual sync/export that is deeply integrated into the file/patch browser. An automatic sync option might be a welcome additional feature.

Slam-Cut
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What Stiksi said.

Slam-Cut
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Since MIDI is on my mind, has anyone seen this article on the HD Protocol?

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/midi-manufacturers-association-to-host-hd-p...

Short, but interesting. I was especially delighted by this feature of HD MIDI:

"Thousands of Channels for handling large complex systems"

I know I don't need that many, but I damn sure want it! :o)

Slam-Cut
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Is there any way to reset the counter for Patterns? I'd like to be able to wipe all the patterns so I can start over at number 1.
I will guess the answer is no.

My problem: I opened the Kawai K4 .nsp file and created some music, saving the file without changing the name. I get further along an decide the project needs to be saved under another name (takes me a while to think of a name) and complete that project. In the Kawai K4 project I erase all the parts and patterns, save it so I can use that project again later when I want the presets in the Kawai K4 Project bank. I later open the Kawai K4 project and start creating new patterns. Now the counter starts patterns at 12 for example. What I need is to be able to start the pattern counting at 1, because I use the first 7 patterns to keep track of the harmonic progression. Usually I have a simple pad sound that, for example has a whole note held for an entire measure. I copy that part and raise it up through the scale to get all 7 notes and create patterns so that I can visually see the harmonic progression. This is especially helpful as I come back to projects at various times from days to weeks later.

I'm guessing the only way to do this is not to save a project that is intended to be used as a template for the use of the project bank presets, except under a different name, and that my only option now would be to go back to the Community NSP thread and download the .nsp file again. Then always save the project under a different name before I do anything like create patterns.

I hope this will be something that is done slightly differently in NS2. Would be nice to number and name patterns as we see fit.
"Please sir. Can I have some more?"

syrupcore
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Don't think there's a way. You can use the old patterns and rewrite the part in the piano roll though. That would essentially 'overwrite' them.

> (takes me a while to think of a name)

Feel like this has been a thing for electronic musicians since sequencers allowed naming and saving. Has been for me anyway. I love the way a few apps out there auto-generate names for you when you hit save. Some of them are pretty smart in their vowel placement to make the names pronounceable fairly consistently. Feels like magic and allows for a quick save and back to the song at hand.

Slam-Cut
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@syrupcore: Nice one Mr. syrupcore. I didn't think about re-writing those patterns. Since the previous project has been saved under a new name, I wouldn't screw up that project. Not a clean and easy way, but certainly a viable workaround until NS2 comes out. Thanks!

Thinking about it a bit further, I could create templates where patterns 1-7 are all whole notes that could be used to set up the harmonic progression initially, and could be changed later, or just muted, but still serve the same purpose. Notes on presets has been requested before, I wonder if it is asking too much to have a short note pad for parts and patterns. Yeah. That probably is too much. I won't bring it up on this Wishlist thread thingy. That'd be going a bit too far. :o)
(Uh oh. Matt's not giggling. I had him pegged for a giggler for sure.)

syrupcore
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That's an interesting idea - adding whole notes as patterns to templates. Could fill a track with them in the template and then copy and paste and rearrange up to four at a time to come up/generate/experiment with chord progressions.

Slam-Cut
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I think it's cool that we can keep finding new ways to use NS.

dendy
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very simple feature will make me happy in NS2 - when recording external stuff, posibility to choose record JUST left or JUST right channel :-) Currently i'm doing lot of sampling of analogue synths with just one (mono) out, and in NS i currently get samplet stereo wav file with one changel quiet :-))) Because i simply connect synth to my focusrite idock with just one mono cable :)

syrupcore
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If NS2 has audio tracks it will need a mono input selector. Think you can fix that problem for now by doing it via audiobus and selecting just the input you want.

DJ Evil Eye
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I would like to see a release date. That is currently my biggest wish. I can't wait until NS2 is released!

syrupcore
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I've been playing with monophonic sequencers a lot lately (hardware and software). One feature many of them have that I'd love to see in NS is the ability to transpose a track via external MIDI control. Simplest use case is a bassline—you essentially program in the root bassline pattern and then can use the external source to transpose it on the fly.

Different sequencers accomplish the transposition in different ways. One way is absolute—if a user presses F on the keyboard, the lowest note in the pattern becomes an F (sort like a one note arpeggiator or the left side of the Casiotone you had in 1984). The other way is relative to Middle C. No matter what the pattern notes are, if you play an F above middle C, the sequence is transposed up 5 steps (F being 5 steps above middle C). The sequencer on the SH-101, for instance, works this way.

An extension of this model that would just completely rule in NS is to have the ability for one track or lane to control the transposition of another. That way, you could record the external notes as MIDI information and have that track affect another track (or tracks!). You could then have your simple single bassline pattern and use another track to set transposition on it (which you could edit like any other MIDI track). If this was combined with Slam Cut's ideas about named patterns of single notes you could program in a sequence and then drop in single note patterns to experiment with different song structures pretty easily—essentially adding chordbot and similar style composition all with the context of NS' traditional tracks and piano roll environment. Alternatively, and I realize none of this stuff is trivial, what about patterns or parts having independent transposition value? . UI wise, thinking in the main song view (not piano roll) you'd hit a button and then the vertical drag handles would adjust pitch offset for the selected part(s). Like old school MIDI only sequencers (DR T/Voyetra!)

Sequencer capture ideas aside, it's really great fun and is at the source of a lot of 70s electronic music (using control voltages to augment the notes/voltages being sent by a sequencer). I know it can and has been used for all manner of music creation but it's a particularly slapping good time in blips and bloops and pulsating bassline land.

Slam-Cut
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Syrupcore: so if you are using the wayback machine and bring up old gear, I have to come clean and admit that my first instrument was the Casio VL-1. Damn that thing was crap. The Casiotone had to have been much better. I wish I had my 6+ back then... :o/

What you suggest sounds like a whole heap of coding and I fear you may have given Matt siezures. However, even if just for theoretical reasons, I've been trying to see how you'd use the Transpose function. Is this for live improv? For composition, I generally find that going into the part and manually transposing (select all & raise or lower) works well. I want to inspect each note to be sure that I'm not letting some of the notes fall out of the key (I have a fear that notes left outside the key will trigger some sort of Butterfly Effect and the whole track will crumble down around me, surely resulting in some sort of verbal tar and feathering by musicians whose ears have been offended. I should probably seek professional councilling for this paranoia). :o)

If I understand your suggestion, one would then be able to plug in a chord progression (I/IV/I/IV/V/I for example) and the bassline or ostinato would transpose the pattern for you based on the selected key, right? I could see that as a nice convienient time-saving feature, so that you could quickly throw out several chord progression ideas to see what sounds good rather than actually manually transposing, or actually playing the transposed part - how barbaric! This seems like a feature that would appeal to some people but not all. I am hoping that NS2 will be created to allow additional features as IAPs, and things like this Transpose feature would seem to fit nicely with some related features as an IAP.

syrupcore
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Yes, for live improv, primarily. That includes live improv songwriting though, not just in a live performance setting. Yes, it all can be done via the piano roll but it's a very different experience than triggering key changes externally. It's not at all an uncommon feature in electronic music. I'll see if I can dig up a video.

I wouldn't worry about Matt: it's just more of me gassing on the Internet—he knows to ignore me by now. I add stuff to this thread as passing fancies or stuff to think/talk about, not feature requests. The piano roll capturing and clip transposition stuff above is just riffing on one of those fancies. Hell, I'm not even generally convinced they're good ideas (or the best way to solve a problem) when I say them.

Stiksi
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They are, especially controlling a multiple patterns' transposition by another part. That would be really cool! Niche case but what a case!

syrupcore
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If NS tracks/lanes have MIDI out and NS creates its own ports, a track controlling another track could be done 'cleanly', MIDI wise, by setting the control track to an NS MIDI output and the to-be-controlled tracks to the same MIDI port/channel.

Slam-Cut
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OK, now you're talkin'! I like the sound of that. I'm really liking the possibilities that MIDI could have for NS2. +1 for what syrupcore said.