NanoStudio V1.30 beta for OS X and Windows now available!

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Download NanoStudio V1.30 beta-1 for Windows
Download NanoStudio V1.30 beta-1 for OS X

* Please read the known issues before installing (at the bottom of this post)

I'm aiming to submit the iOS version to the app store on the 1st of December. Everything's final now apart from:

* Manual needs an update
* TRG AutoBPM function can be inaccurate (this requires a project format change so I'm not including it in the beta programme)
* Any bugs which come up when I start seriously testing next week

Things that almost made it in:

* Stereo recording. Required lots of testing with all the different iOS devices/versions/hardware - too risky this close to release.
* Mic 'measurement mode' and manual gain setting - for the same reason as stereo recording
* About 9 million other things

Things that have changed since the V1.30 alpha release:

* Added 'Mix audio with other apps' option to allow iTunes music background play (iOS)
* Added buffer latency settings (iOS)
* Automatic normalization is now optional after sampling or resampling
* Added extra musical scales
* Added an 'add effect' button to empty effects slots
* Changed TRG behaviour to allow drags across pads
* Added load/save effects chain to the effects select dialogue
* Added ability to swipe mutes and solo's in mixer
* Song editor - mute/solo buttons can be swiped vertically
* Song editor - added MIDI activity indicators to each track
* Song editor - parts on muted tracks are shown in grey
* Added ability to tap song position on status bar to toggle between bars and hours/minutes
* MIDI file and .nsp file export dialogues now have a 'show file' button (Windows/OS X)
* Possible fix for OS X not enumerating some MIDI input devices
* Shortened screen slightly to allow room for extra quantize button on status bar (tablet)
* Moved horizontal editor drag handles further apart (tablet)
* Bug fix - TRG pad name was not updated after recording a sample (tablet/desktop)
* Bug fix - Buzzing sound on Eden ring mod when phase was non-zero

* WINDOWS KNOWN ISSUES

Before installing the beta, I strongly recommend uninstalling the alpha version and deleting the old shortcuts (normally in 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NanoStudio'. You will not lose any project or sample data when you uninstall, this is kept elsewhere.

* OS X KNOWN ISSUES:

1. When you first run the app from the disk image, you may need to check the box which says, "Don't warn me when opening applications on this disk image". If you don't do this, the phone/tablet versions may not start up.

2. If you put the dmg files in a path which has a '.' (dot) in it, the phone/tablet versions may not start up.

Blip Interactive
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^ V1.30 Beta available!

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Yeah! Congrats.

syrupcore
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How in the world did you get all that done while watching young ones clips on YouTube?

Blip Interactive
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Just the usual way : A week of graveyard shifts, plus the iPhone compiler's so slow that you have plenty of time to browse some crap on the web whilst watching it think. Don't get nearly so much time when the Microsoft compiler's in town ;)

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Wow!
Thanks for the response to users needs... saying that i think i didn't asked for anything particular but its cool that you respond as much as you can. ;)

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Oops

http://m2n2l2.1g.fi/kuvat/WTH1.jpg

Latest Nvidia Beta drivers (mobile), Win7/64bit. I just installed it over the last one and let the installer launch the program.

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@m2n2l2 - From the title bar in your screenshot it looks like you're somehow running the alpha version, but maybe it's using the beta's resources? It could be worth uninstalling the alpha version, but it shouldn't be necessary. BTW your projects are kept if you uninstall.

For the Windows beta I changed the way the shortcuts are named to match the way the OS X versions are named. The new shortcuts are called NanoStudio-Tablet and NanoStudio-Phone rather than NanoStudio(Tablet) and NanoStudio(Phone). Can you remember which one you ran? I'm sure it's going to be something like this ...

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Hmm.. that happened to me as well.
All versions had graphics messed up.
Windows XP SP2 installed over 1.30 alpha which was installed over the old 1.21

Uninstalling through the shortcuts didnt worked though. I had to uninstall by navigating in C-Programs-Nanostudio folder and double click another uninstaller nested in there.
Now installed again and works fine. ;)

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I let the installer run the program, suggesting it would be the right version. And I do remember which one I ran - all of them right after the bug appeared.

Uninstalled old one, deleted the folder and installed again. Works again (:

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Thank u Blip, u're good developer!

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"love is in the air"........!

:D

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Hi Matt,

Just found a bug/feature (delete as appropriate) when using an external MIDI keyboard. This behaviour also exists in the v1.21 so it's not new to 1.3.

You can play the MIDI keyboard on the Instrument screen, the Song screen and the Manage screen but as soon as you choose the Mixer screen it falls silent. Even if you try to record from the Mixer screen nothing is recorded. You must go back to the Instrument screen and choose a TRG or Eden.

I appreciate that the Mixer is classed as an instrument (and hence why it goes silent) but wouldn't there be some logic in NS remembering the last 'real' instrument and allow it to be played whilst you are on the Mixer screen?

On a different note like many others I'm looking forward to the native iPad version, especially since iOS 5 made the upscaled iPhone version so bloody ugly with no smoothing!

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Thanks for the update! Just curious, why is the mixer section smaller in the Windows version than the Tablet version when they occupy the same amount of space? Is there some technical reason the Windows version cannot be the same size? Why not just release the (PC Test) Tablet version as the Windows version too if you catch my drift.....

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Matt, I just asked this question here (so I apologise for repeating it again);

http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/2442#comment-14866

....how difficult would it be to implement export of an nsp file via email instead of having to use Nanosync every time? NS users could then share projects with each other and do collaborations etc. :)

Tom

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"About 9 million other things"

yes... sorry about that!

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When you hold the top bar, which brings up help, would it be a good idea to press and hold it again to take you back the the screen you just left from? Otherwise I have to navigate through windows to get my original place where I needed help.

How easy is that to implement?

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Is it possible before the launch of the new version to add this feature : when you select a track in the song window, or a channel in the mixer, then the selected one as the midi focus ?

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Brilliant work Matt, I don't know how you do it!

A question and a minor (?) request.

When the new iPhone version is released is there any way I can save the 1.21 version or even have both versions installed on my device at the same time? Whilst I'm excited about all the new features I'm concerned that as you add more my iPod 3G may start to struggle and I'm so happy with the way everything works now so it would be good to have the option to go back a version if I encounter any problems.

This is just a tiny cosmetic thing but would it be at all possible to flip the 'Welcome/Logo' screen so it displays the right way round when docked in the Akai SS25?
I know, I know it's a bit OCD of me but it's like looking at a painting that's hanging a bit off the horizontal. I'm just itching to get up and straighten it...!

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I have a suggestion for the UI:
On the TRG pad page, on the edit subpage, there is a "BUS" button, which assigns a pad to a bus.
There are 3 busses, with 3 colors, red, green, blue.
Should the Bus button be cycling the background of the other pad edit controls? The blue background.
Right now, only the text color changes, and its a bit hard to read. Just a thought..
Matt, thanks so much for NS, it's brilliant~!

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>This is just a tiny cosmetic thing but would it be at all possible to flip the 'Welcome/Logo' screen so it displays the right way round when docked in the Akai SS25?

That's a good point. Something I keep telling Erik who makes Shapesynth. If the app is designed for the SS25 why does it always open up, upside down? There needs to be something that tells the app that the dock is connected to something, then flip the start up screen accordingly....

(+ 9 million other changes....... ;) lol! )

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Looks GREAT! Everything has been working correctly so far... Can't wait for the official iPad version release! I use NanoStudio on my iPad 2, iPod Touch 4, 15" MacBook Pro i7 and Mac Pro Quad Xeon.

I would love for audio recording capabilities within NanoStudio, but I know that won't be happening anytime soon.. Still love NanoStudio though!

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Hello there, excellent work. Thank you very much!

I'm not sure, but perhaps i'm a individual case.
And i'm sorry about my unusual question... ;-)

I use our app often at live events and small club gigs and on the streets with voice and acoustic guitar...
(and by the way - it works fantastic ;-))
Have a look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuwjqIM2EE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4n0H4bWo6k

I play the ipad live with the "keyboard screen" without external keyboard. And here comes my problem:
With so many other buttons and knobs on the keyboard screen, majorly the Bank and Preset buttons it is quite "dangerous" to play the keyboard screen live. Touching the wrong button will cause musical errors or wrong sounds.

Is there any possibility to build a "Live locked" screen?
Or any other idea?

Thanks so much,
Hottex

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Hello Horst!
Please excuse the familiarity but I watched your Acoustic Garden performances and the 'Who and Why is RubyRough' videos so feel I know you a little now!
Great songs by the way and very interesting use of Nanostudio in a live setting. Myself and I'm sure others would be very interested to know how you set up a project for each song in your set. Which elements are live and which are prerecorded? How do you use the sequencer for a live performance and what use do you make of the TRG-16 live? Perhaps you would consider posting a YouTube tutorial one day to explain.
A few users have posted in the past about live use of Nanostudio and requested certain features which are live performance specific. It's even been suggested that it would be cool to have a special customised 'live' version but I don't think we can expect that, if it were viable, in the near future.
Keep up the good work,
Paul

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I don't seem to be able to download the beta. When I go directly to the url http://downloads.blipinteractive2.co.uk/NanoStudio-1.30-beta-1.dmg.zip, I get this error:

The connection was reset.
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

When I tried to right click and 'save as', Firefox starts it but it fails with this error:
"/Users/...blah blah" could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. Try again later, or contact the server administrator

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Hey syrupcore, that happened to me as well.. I just kept poking at the link and it eventually worked.. BUT yeah there is something wrong.

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All very much is pleasant.
Very much we wait for IPad,
Whether but it is impossible Eden sample mod in a stereo?

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The swipe mutes feature is awesome for live!!

One of the earlier versions had this, and I missed it quite a lot.

Really can't wait for iPad version!!

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My web provider's crap. They claim 'unlimited bandwidth' to me but then the link always seems to get unreliable when a download's popular. If you try a little later it should be fine. For the final release I'll probably put up a temporary alternative link.

@pablo64 - Apple only let you install the current version of an app on your device. However, the new version will make no appreciable change to CPU usage and will only use an extra 1MB of memory absolute maximum (which isn't much when compared to a sample) so you really don't need to worry about this.

@pquenin - I could imagine the MIDI focus for song/mixer being useful for some applications, and confusing in others. Have you tried using it with Omni mode off? With omni off you get access to any instrument from any page and can use the DRUMS/SYNTH1 buttons to select.

@hottex - It might be the safest to use it on the dual keyboard (or XY pad) page for live use. Ultimately a dedicated live mode would be best I agree.

@everyone else - Some good suggestions and ideas but I'm out of time now and need to get on with the manual updates and final testing, otherwise I just end up chasing my tail forever on small changes, manual updates and continuous retesting.

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Thanks for your answer Matt, that makes me feel better.
Yeh, I guess you need to ration your time on the forum or the productivity suffers. Maybe time to take on some forum admins?

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I still have buzzing and static on the sounds on the beta version too when played through my Focusrite Saffire FW audio unit. It plays fine through my iMac speakers though so its maybe NanoStudio doesn't like the Saffire FW audio unit. Anyway as long as this baby plays fine on my iPad 2 that all I am bothered about.

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It's probably not a problem with your audio unit. The OS X version has only been thoroughly tested on precisely one system (my Mac Mini) so it could easily have issues with other setups - one of the many reasons the desktop version's released for free. If you have any buffer settings, sample rates etc. you can play with it might be worth changing them to see if makes a difference. If you find a setting that works then I may be able to figure out what's going on.

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Yeah, i think it isn't a problem with my audio unit too because Reason, Logic Pro and Ableton Live play fine through my Saffire Audio Unit. So maybe as you said because it was tested on just one system maybe it has problems with external audio units.

Anyway, I am so looking forward to the iPad release. Apps like NanoStudio made it worthwhile for me to buy an iPad and iPod Touch. Keep up the good work.

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I am experiencing some weird bugs on my macbook pro. 1. if an autosave for the last closed project exist, i cant click anywhere. 2. I deleted the autosave and it starts right up, buuut, the screen is rotated 90 degrees. I mean, the menu bar is still at the top, but to get it clicked i gotta click my mouse pointer up and down the left side of the screen. Im on mac os x 10.6.8 intel core 2 duo. could this be a display setting?

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What resolution are you running at? If you're down at 800x600 or so then there's a known issue when it scales the display graphically but not in terms of touch/pointer position - I'll fix it before the final V1.3 goes live but I wanted to get the iOS version out first.

Try running the phone version and maximizing the display. If that works OK, I reckon that's the problem.

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Awesome stuff! Looking forward to this update, and I don't own an iPad.

>* Manual needs an update

Yeah, you wouldn't want to inspire any profanity laced tirades in the Support forum. :P

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Don't worry, I've added :

Appendix B : Commonly Used Profanities So You Don't Have To Bother

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I know it's too late for stuff but I'd love to see the 'loop to selection' button on the menu bar at the bottom in wider versions of the app at some point in the future - I use it all the time.

For what it's worth, I pretty much never use the 'draw' button in the song view, only in the edit part view. The exact opposite is true in edit part mode - I don't use loop to selection there. I know it'd be confusing to move draw to the 'more' menu in one view but not the other but if I had my druthers, I'd do just that.

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I actually use the draw button pretty much in both the song and part views. Especially when I'm doing drums I just tap a few parts and fill them in.

But mostly, having the draw button in view all the time comes in handy when you realise you're in draw mode when you don't want to be. I'd hate for it to be in a menu when that happens…

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running at 1280x800, not super worried about it, really excited for universal ipad version. Just wanted to report the bug.

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Yeah, very good point about draw also being an indicator. I only notice it when I hit it by mistake! So you draw blank parts and then go to more->properties->pattern or something?

Makes me wonder about analytics when it comes to this sorta who-uses-what stuff. I'd actually click 'OK' were nanostudio to ask me about collecting anonymous usage data.

(I'd still like loop to selection to permanently live down there when I succumb to the iPad.)

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> Appendix B : Commonly Used Profanities So You Don't Have To Bother

I might be able to assist with this one (:

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"Yeah, very good point about draw also being an indicator. I only notice it when I hit it by mistake! So you draw blank parts and then go to more->properties->pattern or something?"

Yes, pretty much. It's something that's probably stuck with me from the tracking days: Create a new pattern, fill it in, loop it. Loop to selection is right up there with draw in my usage. As is "Select -> Add to" which I have to turn on and off constantly. Dragging just doesn't work as well for me because I'm selecting tiny stuff in between tiny stuff.

A customizable bottom row of buttons would be best but I'm not too sure Blip would have the time to support such a thing.

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Hi there...

quick question...

on the current version of nanosynth I can add for effects now I see one's been filled with return(from where?) ... so what will happen with songs that use the four slots with compressors, eq, verbs, and delays?

thanks !!

edit: I just discovered that this is just on the master fader !!! I love that all my mistakes lead me to something good.... love the chain loading !!!

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Yep, on the output one of the slots is reserved for the point where the returns will be mixed in. This isn't saved or loaded, it's always there.

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Someone has already used the beta version in a song video. :) http://www.palmsounds.net/2011/11/terminator-in-nanostudio.html

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"As is "Select -> Add to" which I have to turn on and off constantly."

yeah, same. reminds me of an old wish of mine:
Double tap select to toggle "add to".
Double tap zoom to 'zoom all'.
Double tap draw for 'let me draw this one thing and then stopping being in draw mode, ok buddy?'

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Syrupcore: agree with these 100%!!!!

"don't forget the double tap" - Zombieland

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Been working on a song in the desktop beta tonight - my first time using it to actually do something. It's pretty luxurious to have all the space. Vertical zooming in the song editor is a huge win. Also really into saving effects in the mixer! I've used it as an elaborate copy/paste a few times already.

I can't wait to play with the keyboard scale stuff on my phone. Mouse isn't doing it justice. Is there a way to set the root key as well as the scale?

Editing a trg pad is a little weird for me because of the audio triggering when you switch the target pad. Not too big a deal with drum samples but if you have a longer loop assigned to a pad, it plays back in it's entirety. I think I'd more often than not prefer that they were silent when in the edit mode. Maybe for the first tap only?

I've also run into a bug, I think. The 'snap to' toggle in the part editor doesn't seem to retain it's state. I managed to trick it at one point by turning off the grid and then back on and then toggling the snap to box. or something like that.

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Damn, you're right about the 'snap to' checkbox. I actually went for a tentative submission last night with a plan to continue testing today - looks like I'll have to cancel that and re-submit. Thanks for spotting that.

You can change the root key for the scales by using the transpose on the settings page.

I know what you mean about the pad playing when you select it for editing, I wasn't quite sure about this either. I could maybe change it so that the first tap is silent, and then subsequent taps will play the pad so you can audition changes if you wish. It'd be a quick change.

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> You can change the root key for the scales by using the transpose on the settings page.

In a future release it would be cool to get a shortcut like this: While holding the selected scale type in the list, touch the root key on the keyboard.