Nanosync and IPhone

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dr_jo
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A bit confused about the NanoSync/IPhone thing....
Just bought NanoStudio - having fun already! Thanks! A bit confused about the NanoSync thing - I have Tiger so can't get the demos working on my Mac, but want to be able to import sound files from the web straight into the mixer. Is that what I need NanoSync for? Is there any way of playing a sound file into a track direct from the web?

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Yep you're quite right, the purpose of NanoSync is to take sample files on your Mac/PC (wav or aif) and copy them over to the iPhone over WiFi.

It also does the reverse direction - so if you've made a tune you like you can do a 'Mixdown' on the phone, and then copy the final mixed wav back to your computer.

The problem you're going to have is that NanoSync is Leopard or Snow Leopard only at the mo. I've already promised someone that I'll do the necessary work to get it running on Tiger (Intel only) though so if you're able to hang on for just a few more days that'd be cool.

If you're really impatient then I don't know if you could find someone with a PC or newer Mac and upload a bunch to get you started.

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"Tiger (Intel only)" Oh, no!!! I guess it's time to update my computers then... :(

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Oh no sorry. I found it impossible to track down anyone with a PPC machine to test it on.

When I do the Tiger version I could try adding PPC compatibility too but it would be untested. It might work, it might not. The question is - are you feeling lucky?

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I take whatever I can get for now! Hope to upgrade at some point... As long as the chances of totally corrupting all files is slim I'd be happy to try it out!

Thanks!
D.

dr_jo
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...are you saying that the sync bit is planning to stay on the computer? I was hoping to load tracks from the internet direct to the phone....
And same here on the Tiger thing - aint got no Intel :)

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Hmm loading samples straight off t'internet eh? I hadn't thought about that - although since NanoStudio already has a Safari browser in it for the help, it's not a million miles away from using it to browse and download samples. I'll add it to the wishlist (it's a big list though, seriously).

Trying to get round to Tiger + PPC Macs, but it's been mental. Bear with me!

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"Trying to get round to Tiger + PPC Macs, but it's been mental. Bear with me!"

No problem waiting here! I'm super content with the included samples and the synths so far! Very happy that you want to spend time to support those ancient machines at all!

D.

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Thanks for getting back to me - I understand it's difficult to do what I'm asking, but great to put it on the list, thanks.

What I'm really trying to do is load new samples into nanostudio away from the computer [just realised mine isn't wifi either....:(!) I'm feeling well out of date here ;)] in a live installation context. I can get them onto the iphone but it looks like I can't then get them into the mix. Is too difficult to enable loading samples into nanostudio from itunes/from the music on the iphone?

Thanks again
J

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No wifi either? Damn, that's something I can't solve :(

Unfortunately the iTunes route is a bridge too far at the moment. Apple's current implementation is quite limiting - good for dumping files in the root directory, but not much else. With some creative coding it's possible, but I'm hoping Apple will develop the system more first.

There's also another issue - it forces people to updated to iOS 4 - not popular for all, and not possible for some devices at all. I really wish this file transfer thing were simple, it should be!

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10.4 is good to go!

Still Intel only at the moment - PowerPC's going to take a fair amount of work it seems, but it might still be possible at the point I add support for 24 bit wavs.

There's also a 'super user' mode for access to all your files. Full details here:

http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/168

Let me know if it works for you!

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No worries....just what's known as 'creative constraints'! I'll let you know what I manage to do with what you provide; should be fun! Can sort Wi-Fi etc for initial upload of files and will update my installation live using the recorder facility! Thanks for all you work :) Please keep idea of loading files direct to iphone on your list for the future tho. Ta.

Blip Interactive
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OK. So has anyone tried the 10.4 NanoSync yet? Fingers crossed it works ...

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I tried it out just now, on the company wifi no less (which is really ultra-security-paranoid). Worked fine in all regards, including the new "power user" mode. This was the Mac version.

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Hmmm, Sad to say it doesn't seem to work on my set up.. 10.4.11 and a 3GS through a Sky Broadband router.

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Can you desribe the problem you have? If it installs and runs, the 10.4 part is probably OK. If it doesn't connect, then it might be something simple you've missed (eg. not enabling the WiFi server in NanoSync) or something trickier (such as being blocked by a firewall).

If you can describe the stage you've got to, what you've tried and any messages you get I'll try my best to get you up and running.

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Wow, loading samples right from the Internet would be amazing, and something absolutely no other app supports. It would be an awesome addition.

Apple's lack of file system is a problem in this respect, although I understand their desire to hide it away from the user.

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Ok, nanosync installs and runs.. It won't connect through wi-fi though.. I made sure that I activated the nanosync server within the app, but to no avail. Perhaps it's a problem with the Sky router? Does anyone know if Sky have firewalls on their router boxes or how to check for one/disable it if it's there? I'm guessing that's probably where the issue is if others are up and running without a hitch..

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I had an issue with the firewall at my workplace as well, it works great on my Mac at home. But if you are behind a firewall, especially one that comes with your ISP router (or in my case is set by an employer for company safety), then that may be what's not allowing you to connect, as the firewall will not only affect your iPhone/iPod that is connected to the WiFi but also the computer.
If it helps you determine, when I was behind the firewall, NanoStudio on the iPhone had a yellow light on the Nano Sync page, and the Nano Syn app on the computer would not locate, and timed out when using a direct IP sync.

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Grrr routers, who'd have 'em? If you're desperate you can try setting up an 'Ad hoc' network. This is a second network where your computer sort of acts as its own router.

1. Choose 'Create Network' from the AirPort status icon in the menu bar at the top of the screen. If the icon isn’t in the menu bar, choose Apple > System Preferences, and then click Network. Click AirPort and select the “Show AirPort status in menu bar” checkbox.

2. Give the network a name and select a channel from the pop-up menu. The default channel is 11, but you can also try 9.

3. If you're going to have this network running all the time you should really give it a password, but you don't have to.

4. Go to the Settings on your iPhone/iPod and choose 'WiFi'. Make sure your WiFi network is switched ON and then select the name of your new AdHoc network from the list below. Enter password if necessary.

Annoying I know but it might get you by. Let me know how you get on!

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Hmmm, tried the above fix and still nada, nothing, zip :(

Just curious, on Nanostudio's sync window it says to us refresh or input ip address manually. Both of these functions seem to be missing from the Nanosync 1.01 software? Or am i missing something?

Any other ideas folks? I may head over to a friends and try using his windows network and nanosync for windows.. If not then I suppose reinstalling Nanostudio may be an option? Or am I clutching at straws with that one? lol

P.s. Thank you for your prompt reply's and help so far Matt/Blip. I may not have things working but I at least feel like you give a damn about getting your customers up and running which means a lot ;)

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> on Nanostudio's sync window it says to us refresh or input ip address manually. Both of these functions seem to be missing from the Nanosync 1.01

These options should be on the 'Connect To Device' dialogue you get when you click the big 'Connect' button on the top left of NanoSync.

What do you see when you click 'Connect' in NanoSync?

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Hi, When I click connect in Nanosync nothing happens at all.. I just have the main window as shown in this link

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af351/ianladd/Picture1.png

and no reaction from the software..

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Cheers for taking the time to post the screenshot. I'm now a bit stuck on this one. The only thing I can think of is that I'm not sure that anyone has confirmed that NanoSync is working for them on Tiger 10.4.

If someone else can confirm it works on 10.4, at least we could rule that out as a general issue.

Did you try temporarily disabling your Mac's firewall (Apple Menu/System Preferences/Security) ?

ianladd
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Hmm, all firewalls seem to be off already (Says a lot for my security conscious mind doesn't it?)

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All I can think of now is to get someone else to confirm that they're using it successfully on 10.4. If they can't then it's a general issue I might be able to do something about. If they can then it's something specific to your setup and that might be trickier.

If I could try it out on 10.4 I would, but I don't have access to anyone who still runs it unfortunately.

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I'm also having issues.
Running 10.5.8, have tried setting up a new network as suggested but no joy.

:(

Such a great program though!

Blip Interactive
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Can you describe the issues you're having?

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Seems to be the same as everyone else.
Device not found.
IP connect finds nothing.
Tried creating a new network as described above and still nothing.

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I'm running out of options now. If the Mac's Ad Hoc network is set up then we should be able to rule out the router. If the Mac's firewall is temporary switched off then we should be able to rule out that too (unless you have other firewall software). Let's try some double checks:

Once you'd set up your Ad Hoc network, is it shown on the iPhone's available WiFi networks list? ie. Settings/Wi-Fi?

Does it have a tick to the left of it to show that the iPhone's found and connected to your new Ad Hoc network?

If you tap the button with the right arrow in the blue circle, does it give the IP address?

And does that IP address agree with the one that NanoStudio shows on its MANAGE/NanoSync page?

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Yes to all of those!
But still nothing

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"If you tap the button with the right arrow in the blue circle, does it give the IP address?"

Yes to all the above except this... Where am I looking to find this button?

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its in your list of wifi networks; each network name has the classic aiport sign next to it denoting signal, then to the right of that is the blue arrow.
It takes a while to load up the IP address once you've clicked it

ianladd
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Yep, found it.. All present and correct! Still no connection though :(

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I hate to admit failure on this one, but I can't think of anything else to try. We've set up an ad-hoc network to rule out the router, we've disabled the firewall to eliminate that, and we've double checked that the phone is connected to the ad-hoc network.

Certainly one of you is running an OS that I can guarantee definitely does work (10.5) but the other (10.4) I haven't had anyone else say yay or nay on yet. I assume you've tried all manner of rebooting the various computers, devices, routers etc.

Currently I've run out of ideas, and without physically being there to use your exact set up I'm limited to what else I can do. I'm really sorry, I'll keep thinking about it.

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No worries Man, Im happy just caning the presets and shouting into the mike for the moment ;)
I'll just use a friends network and PC when I really need the files pulling off Nanostudio, and im probably due to upgrade to Snow Leopard anyway.. Just lazy i guess! Essentially, take your time with it.. Im frankly amazed that your still in customer support mode at 9:15pm, have a beer!

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Hahah yeah good call on the beer.

Please do keep us updated if you find a work around, I'd love to be able to show people how great it works (and get my own samples on there).
Just sort us both a free copy of version two! ;)

Such a fun app mate, drained my battery from using it all day. Props.

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Ah you're being too easy on me :)

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A recent Snow Leopard update had some fixes for wifi and Airport issues. I wonder whether updating and making sure you have all the latest 10.6 updates would automagically solve your problem?

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RE Blip Meister; fine then, give me £100.

jokes.

RE Snannong; thanks, I'll see how this goes.

If badly then please re-read without 'jokes'.

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Hi,

i was so chuffed to see 10.4 support up on the forum yesterday! So firstly, thank you so much Matt for taking the time to help out all of us that havent upgraded yet, im loving this app: the sole reason i put mysellf into even more debt and got an iphone! Now the bad part...
Im having EXACTLY the same issues as ianladd! Such a shame. Dont get me wrong, Nanostudio more than holds its ground as a stand alone app without the extra file support, but if it isnt possible to get this feature running then i guess i might take the plunge and upgrade to Leopard... Ill keep a keen eye on here for developments. Fingers Crossed!

Thanks again Matt for all your time & effort. Mad props to you sir!

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OK, the good news is that I've asked around and managed to find a developer who still has OS X 10.4 !

He should be able to look at it tonight and if he also gets the issue, he should be able to fix it.

Will keep you posted ...

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Best app ever, so amazing! Like many, my Tiger OSX awaits support. The NanoSync page on the iphone app suggests using "Refresh" but there is no Refresh on the app or the Mac pages. Also, choosing "Enter IP address manually" is not an option.
I've tried all of the above tricks, setting up a VPN on channels 11 (default) and 9... no luck. I've also had a go at the latest post under a new thread suggesting how to do much of the same, including detailed instrux on firewall and router probs. Still nada.

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Yes it sounds like a 10.4 problem, sorry. The good news is that this is being worked on, and hopefully will only be days away!

I used to like tigers but I've gone off them recently.

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And Leopards can basically jog on.

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Looks like the whole Tiger thing is moving on which is great, thanks...just saw something you said on another thread about ' only Intel' - is the Tiger solution you're looking at for PowerPC too (I have a powerbook G4).

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PPC's going to be problem for the short term future. Around the time of the next update, I'll be adding 24 bit sample support into NanoSync and will see what can be done then.

The sad realilty is that in the time it takes to fix PPC for a few users, I could add audio copy/paste for many users. Additionally I cannot find a single developer with a PPC machine to test it out and debug it so I'll be working in the dark. I realise that's no consolation if you're one of 'the few'.

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Hey ho, looks like I'm going to be resurrecting my ol' PC; glad I didn't send it to the scrapyard in the sky :)

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See - by lazily not supporting PPC I've saved some landfill. Recycling through software :)

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Two things:
1) Someone please tell me why I see no button labeled CONNECT on Nanosync for PC?! Where should it be?
2) My iphone connects/sees WiFi just fine. However, Nanosync for PC does not see anything. What gives?

This is a GREAT iPhone App -just want to use it's feature set to the fullest extent.

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Hi. NanoSync won't give you the list of devices its found until you click the Connect button. So if you can't see the Connect button ...

When you load up NanoSync, what do you see? The Connect button should be in the top left hand corner.