Is NanoStudio good for live stuff? And some sound question

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fenyfe
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Hey there guys! I've just recently discovered NS (and just recently discovered iOS music making also). Actually after watching this video https://youtu.be/IoKIb0AlUMg
This got me wondering if I should get this app for jamming live (kinda live looping thing). I watched some other videos of NS, and didn't really understand do I like the sound or not. I kinda like how it sounds in this vid, but some other (those with the decent quality of recording) in other genres sound a bit toyish. Especially synths are not the most impressive.
What do you guys think, is the synth engine good (maybe comparing to other synth-apps). And what about effects (reverb, delay)? Usable?
On the other hand there is Korg Gadget, a new thingy from novation and a handful of other apps but while Gadget is pricey, the others seem to be akin more towards preset/scale stuff (no actual chromatic keyboards, not much control etc etc).
Any help what to pick?
Thanks

syrupcore
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Eden (the synth in NS) is what you make of it. Eden is also a sampler so there's no shortage of possibilities really. Due to hyper efficiency, it's individual building blocks aren't going to sound like Diva or whatever but certainly plenty of great sounding stuff has been produced with it. Plus, the drum sampler. Not sure how easy they are to find on SoundCloud but if you can, check out some of the winners/runners up in the various NanoStudio Contests over the years to get a good sampling of the sonic/musical possibilities.

Effects are good. The reverb is probably the weakest link (again, hyper optimized so you can run loads of separate instances across individual tracks and sends comes with a sonic price).

Gadget has good sounds but yeah, kind of limited from a synthesis point of view. Good set up for MIDI looping though. Oh yeah, Gadget will eat your battery.

Considering the asking price these days, I'd definitely try NS first. There's a couple of sticky threads here with resources and free sound downloads. Definitely check them out even if you're a from scratch sorta maker—just to see what others have cooked up with it.

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Jim Hanks
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What syrupcore said. NS is still the best "bang for the buck" "all in one" solution. If you take any element in isolation (synth, effects, sampler, mixer), you will probably be able to find something in iOS now that does it better - except maybe the MIDI editor. But the total package is still very tough to beat, especially for the price.

If you're not a synth tweaker, there are some preset packs around for free or cheap as well.

Slam-Cut
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Tough question. While I agree with what my collegues stated, I wonder about recommending NS this late in the game. It depends on one's situation, but if fenyfe is asking whether to buy NS OR Gadget, I'm assuming disposable income is an issue. I would recommend buying both, plus a dozen or so synth and FX apps. However I think it might be wise to wait for NS2, which will be a much easier app to incorporate other apps into one workflow.

I wonder what the Blip policy is? Is there any concern for blowback of irate customers who buy NS that will no longer work in a month or so when iOS 11 hits us? Won't customers be irritated that the Blip website hasn't announced NS2 so that customers are informed that NS1 will soon be obsolete? I'm glad to try helping out by answering questions on this forum when I can help out users with less experience than myself, and provide Matt a little bit more time & energy to develop NS2, but I don't think I can recommend NS1 when NS2 is so close. I feel bad saying that, but a bunch of unruly customers could create a big mess on this forum. I think the website, App Store, and this forum should have a clear message about the status of the apps. While I will maintain old iDevices with pre-11 iOS just so I can continue to use NS1, I don't think that it is realistic to expect new customers to do that.

I'm a dedicated fan of NS, and I am looking forward to NS2 so much that I completely didn't see this sort of question arising. Looks like we need guidance from the Blip Meister. :o/

Stiksi
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@syrupcore Just checked some of the contest threads and most of the track links are broken. :(

syrupcore
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@slam-cut good point about iOS 11. If @fenyfe plans to update their device, NS1 is probably a non-starter at this point.

@stiski damn.

tom_tm
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Slam-cut, you forget to mention that older devices like the iPad 1 up to 4 won't ever support iOS 11 and therefore will still run NS1 fine. For about £25 now for an iPad 1, I can still thoroughly recommend NS even in this later part of its development i.e. Just before NS2 is released, as it's still a remarkable piece of software.

Slam-Cut
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@tom_tm: you make a good point and I totally agree. fenyfe didn't mention his hardware situation, and if he has older equipment that he doesn't plan to upgrade to iOS11 then I would whole-heartedly recommend NS. If he, or any other people plan to be on iOS11, then I think it would make more sense to wait for NS2.

Not that I'm trying to take app sales away from Blip Interactive, mind you. Instead I see it as up-selling NS2. I hope NS2 is still on track for release shortly after iOS 11, but I do wonder if it will require iOS 11, or can NS2 run on iOS 10? The beta team (peeps producing the demo tracks) must be using it on iOS 10, right?

fenyfe
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Thanks guys for your input!
I have an iphone 4s like in that video in my original post (was just searching youtube for what you can make on an iphone 4s). But I planning to grab an ipad at some point. So you say NS is gonna stop working soon? Am I jumping on a wrecking ship here? I suppose no one yet knows when NS2 is released?

Slam-Cut
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NS is a 32 bit app, so it won't work on iOS 11. If you use NS on your 4s you'll have no problem as I think the 4s won't be able to run iOS 11. It is a very useful with a good synth/sampler and a very easy to use sequencer that helps make complete songs (not just beats and loops - but those can be easily created in NS as well, if that's your thing). We are all waiting for NS2 (a 64 bit app that will work in iOS11), which is expected to come out sometime after the release of iOS 11. I'm hoping that'll be the very next day, but not likely. NS2 will have some cool new features like: real audio tracks, MIDI out, multi-sampling sampler, support for AUv3, etc. NS2 will be released on iPad initially, and then later made to be universal. There are some work-arounds with NS that will let you do just about anything you need to do (for electronic music), and you can find a lot of great tips & tricks on the forum. NS is worth the money if you are going to keep your 4s for a while, but if you plan to buy a new iPad, plan to get NS2 with that iPad.